id3as的Dom罗宾逊和Help Me Stream的蒂姆Siglin谈论流媒体的绿化

蒂姆Siglin: 欢迎来到流媒体东部2022在波士顿的最后一次采访. 我请来了Dom罗宾逊，他的衬衫上写着id3as [http://id3as].com]. 那是他的公司，但我们今天要谈点别的. Dom和我写了一篇名为《百家乐软件》的文章[http://www].ecedu.net/文章/editorial/featured - 文章/the绿化- -流- 140965.aspx]. 在那篇文章中, Eric让我们看看我们之前讨论定价性能时的效率. And out of that has led to sort of a movement with 流媒体绿化. So, so just let's recap briefly 流媒体绿色化 journey.

Dom罗宾逊: So we wrote the article 流媒体绿化. I thought the name was a catchy catchy phrase, 已注册域名, stuck an email catch-all at the back of the domain name, 然后在本周之前的最后四次虚拟内容交付峰会上——我参与了流媒体的运营——我们开始了与行业的对话，询问人们对可持续性问题的看法, 就我们正在使用的所有技术所消耗的能量而言.

蒂姆Siglin: 事实上, 插话一下, I went back and watched part of that 在CDS的炉边聊天. 最后, 你对人们说，告诉我们你对环保和节能的了解, because we're a bit naive to the language on it. 很明显, 我们要做的一件事是弄清楚围绕着它的语言是什么.

Dom罗宾逊: 当然, 当我们做研究的时候, 对报告的估计, they were wildly all over the place, 的术语, 每帧是多少?, kilograms of carbon per hour--all really, 对于业内人士谈论的话题，我们很难达成共识. 事实上, 我认为 until we started asking the questions, 每个人都说, “我不知道, it's the finance director's decision. 他买了绿色的电子.然后它就被留在了那里. So once we started the conversation, 这些更大的公司——Akamai和英特尔脱颖而出——走出去，真正开始深入研究他们的可持续发展故事. 所以在第二届和第三届内容交付峰会上，我们开始有小组讨论. We were starting to get the discussion going. 你刚才提到的一个前提是我们提出的这个观点, the CDN industry in particular spent the first 10, 15 years of its life focused on price. 我们忘记了这一点——我们认为这一切都与表现有关，因为在最近的十年里，一切都与表现有关. 但第一个十年的重点是让你能够负担得起高容量内容或高数据速率内容.

蒂姆Siglin: 事实上, if you'd have large audiences like we have today, your company who was using the CDN services would be out of business, because it couldn't afford to pay the bill.

Dom罗宾逊: 完全. 所以我们花了十多年的时间专注于让它以可承受的价格运行这样你就可以推出人们会说, "Oh, I haven't got the quality I want.“所以我们又花了10年的时间来提高质量，让消费者选择购买. But nobody had ever thought about the power efficiency. So in the last two years with CDS that conversation's firmly begun, and Greeting of Streaming as a catch-all email group grew. 所以我们决定提议这个社区聚集在一起全天在线活动 talking about this, which we did last September. But as momentum for that was coming together, 我们意识到，建立一个行业协会将是一个关键时刻. So that was essentially our launch event.

蒂姆Siglin: 除了语言部分, 哪个是第一工作组, 还有词汇, we have several other working groups. 第二工作组, which you're working with now around sort of getting the messaging out, but what are working groups three and four?

Dom罗宾逊: So just to actually explain what the working groups are, 基本上, as the membership formed and came together, the first and most important rule of the club, if you like--Fight Club--is no greenwashing. 所以，虽然在这个阶段没有真正正式的书面宪法，但在工作小组的背景下肯定会发生, maybe broadly across greening of streaming this gentleman's agreement, if you like--of no greenwashing has been powerful. 我们现在正在进行同行评议，以确保我们的营销不会仅仅为了赢得竞争的可持续性而做出未经证实的声明, which aren't really--when you look at the big picture--sustainable. 所以无论如何, we got together and formed these working groups one and two, which were kind of mechanical and baseline things. And then the best practices working group, 我们一开始并不能真正开始——我们的长期目标是在社区中分享最佳实践. 但是，如果你不知道“针在哪里”，我们就不能启动最佳实践小组. 这导致了第四工作组的成立，它是整个项目的真正执行者.

目前，大多数人认为你使用的带宽和你使用的能量之间存在线性关系. 因此有这样一种想法，如果你节省带宽，你就更环保. 实际上，当你开始从整个系统的角度来看待整个事情, 您会发现，实际上您在大多数时候都在为峰值容量准备所有东西, 如果不是所有的时间. So it doesn't matter if you're sending any data or not. 如果你从0到3000万用户，然后再回来，系统能量保持相当稳定. 这是零假设. 没有人有真正的数据. 所以我们有一些非常有趣的组织加入进来:AMD, Intel on one side on the sort of chip and fabric level; Akamai Ateme, Quortex, Broadpeak, and Varnish in the operator networks varnish as well. Also Axello, Mainstreaming, Radiant, TNO, WhiteRabbit, and EBU. These guys are deployed widely across these infrastructures, 我们对他们说, “让我们在网络上安装一些仪器，我们都同意他们正在采取的措施. 让我们开始测量. 我们把这些加起来. And then let's not mark our own homework with the industry. We're gonna have a transparency problem if we do that.

所以我们首先请了英国的布里斯托尔大学(Bristol University)——我们也可能请其他人——帮我们批改作业. 他们的气候科学家, 他们的模型是从实验室测试中推断出来的，直到现在还没有大量的实际数据. So, 作为一个团队与他们一起工作, 我们可以给他们真实世界的数据来提高信息的分辨率. 早期的迹象表明，零假设已经有了一些依据. 它正在改变讨论. We can no longer say, "Oh, my codec's a little bit more efficient." You might be pushing the problem off to another part of the network. 我们需要从整个系统的角度来看，并确保在我们做出这些营销声明之前，我们理解了这一点, 这无意中, 我认为, 但可能会误导人.

蒂姆Siglin: 完全. 6月8日，我们也将在议会上就这一主题发表演讲. We're all focused on the engineering piece, but we have to remember that from an outreach standpoint, we've had some interest in the UK Parliament as well.